Curse

XvArchonvX · May 09, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill][skill]Mark Of Instability[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Falling Spider[/skill][skill]Horns Of The Ox[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill]

Still trying to get things to work... it seems to own up AB nicely, but that's not real PvP... and it cannot be a ganker, because it has no defense... but I swear I'll get this concept down if it kills me.

Perhaps you need to cut down your skill chain a bit. Instead of using Mark of Stability with your first offhand and dual attack, you might want to jump into Moebius + HotO and put in Impale for Deep Wound. Then use the slots you have left for utility.

X Cytherea X · May 09, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

[skill]mark of instability[/skill][skill]siphon speed[/skill][skill]black lotus strike[/skill][skill]twisting fangs[/skill][skill]falling spider[/skill][skill]horns of the ox[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

rearranged it a bit... there! a snare and MOI is covered!

or u can do this but lose some damage...

[skill]mark of instability[/skill][skill]siphon speed[/skill][skill]black lotus strike[/skill][skill]twisting fangs[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]horns of the ox[/skill]insert utility here (recommend mending touch/death retreat/feigned/etc)[skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

XvArchonvX · May 09, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

I played with this a bit. In a perfect situation, the build gives constant KD, but I still think a Shadow Prison sin is better for ganking:

[skill]Mark of Instability[/skill][skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

The biggest problem I encountered in this build is that if you don't get your target under 50% health after your first HotO then you are stuck unable to finish your attack chain.

*edit* lol, it looks like Cytherea posted the same idea in his/her edit the same time I made my post with the exception that I left out Siphon Speed.

moko · May 09, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by .neuronster.

If this is PvP, there will most likely be more than one monk...

so you are saying because there's another monk KDs are useless? why do you think people run hammer warriors? or bulls strike? obviously because it sucks, there's another monk to heal afterall LOLOLOL.

*headshot*

Precise · May 09, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36

Ok, i like the basic concept behind ur build. However a couple of things i dont like. 1 lack of a snare and 2 falling spider, no real point for it considering u have moebius. I know it poisons but IMO ur better off freeing up a slot for something else.

Not sure how to put up those skill images as im new to talking on the forums. Skills i would use are:

Mark of Instability
Shadow Walk
Dash
Black Mantis Thrust
Exhausting Assault
Moebius
Horns of The Oxe
Res Sig/ Feigned Neutrality/Shadow Refuge

I know it doesnt have deep wound, however if they are on the ground it will only be maybe one more horns before they die. Also they are crippled so if something happens and u have to cut ur attack short, they will be slowed and if u have backup they can chase ur victim down.

I run a similar build to this in AB with my sin except i use Death Blossom not horns. It pumps out spectacular damage and usually beats most foes, even sometimes wins 2-3 on 1's, if played correctly. I might put it up on the forum if someone can teach me how to display the skills.

Thanx

XvArchonvX · May 09, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

@ Mokone: I don't believe his point was that KDs are useless when there's more than one monk, but that another monk can break the Moebius chain if they aren't below 50% health and all your other attack skills are recharging.

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Originally Posted by Precise

Ok, i like the basic concept behind ur build. However a couple of things i dont like. 1 lack of a snare and 2 falling spider, no real point for it considering u have moebius. I know it poisons but IMO ur better off freeing up a slot for something else.

The OP put in Siphon Speed into his modified build, but a KD does serve as a snare, especially when they can be chained.

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Originally Posted by Precise

Not sure how to put up those skill images as im new to talking on the forums.

To insert skill images type [.skill]Mark of Instability[./skill], but without the periods in the middle. If you are still unsure, hit quote reply to see the encoding for the skill image.

[skill]Mark of Instability[/skill]

Priest Of Sin · May 09, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Horns Of The Ox[/skill][skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill]

I suppose you could replace [skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill] with [skill]Expose Defenses[/skill], but then the recharge time on [skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill] would be almost unbearable...

I've ditched the Mark concept of the build, HotO+MS is enough knockdown, I'm thinking. But the build is still broken if the target isn't below 50% hp...

Dutch Masterr · May 09, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I dont know why you are so focused on MoS, but here is my AB build...

[skill]enduring toxin[/skill] [skill]black spider strike[/skill] [skill]horns of the ox[/skill] [skill]moebius strike[/skill] [skill]twisting fangs[/skill] [skill]siphon speed[/skill] [skill]shadow refuge[/skill] and optional...15 dagger, 9-10 deadly arts, 9 shadow arts, 10-11 critical strikes...zealous daggers are a must

Enduring toxin is only used because of the 1/4 casting time, making it usefull to counter a quick spike like a shadow prison sin. Siphon speed is self-explanitory. You can replace shadow refuge with feigned neutrality. For optional i usually use expose defenses or some sort of defense skill. Sometimes i use A/D and switch around the attributes to something like 14 dagger, 10 wind prayers, 9 deadly arts, and about 10 in critical strike and use [skill]natural healing[/skill]....Natural healing is a great skill for a sin to use...in my opinion.

Tarantus · May 09, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr

[skill]natural healing[/skill]....Natural healing is a great skill for a sin to use...in my opinion.

Especially when you're also using [skill]shadow walk[/skill]

FoxBat · May 11, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Just tack ox onto a typical moebius + blossom spam build. That's far more versatile and less fragile. Use ox when it's needed or you can get an easy recharge, and just keep the damage flowing otherwise. As a bonus, you can punish people that try to stand near allies to avoid KD with blossom.